As long as you don’t shoot from the red line

Have you ever in your life looked at Chris Osgood and thought, “Hall of Fame”? Zach has. Here we go, someone intercede:

me: no way ozzie makes the HOF
Zach: for sure
he does
he makes it now
look up career numbers
me: no way
he’s never been a dominant number one goalie
he’s always been a platoon guy
Zach: wtf?
have you EVER watched hockey?
do you know its played on ice?
me: how many games he play this year?
96, vernon was the dominant goalie. last year, he would have been on the bench if hasek hadn’t discombobulated. HOF goalies don’t ride the pine half the time
Zach: 97 osgood;_ylt=AoL8WCTHilZ_mFmWMMKknHFivLYF
me: that’s one year
Zach: unreal career numbers
with 3 cups
2 as the starter
me: he’s got great numbers because he played on great teams. the teams weren’t great because of him

Who’s with me?


9 Responses to “As long as you don’t shoot from the red line”

  1. York Roberts Says:

    I recall Osgood being pretty damn dominant for a half decade or so in the late 90’s (when I followed hockey with the passion I now reserve for porn).

    I don’t think either of you are right. I don’t think he’s DEFINITELY in and I don’t think he’s DEFINITELY NOT in either. It’ll be close. He’ll probably Jim Rice his way in…

  2. Kenny Says:

    I agree with York. He’s a maybe at this point. If I had to make the decision this minute I would say “NO”. They win the cup this year, and one more in the next few then he’s probably got a great shot.

    His career numbers look good, but it’s not always based on numbers. What will hurt him is that when he left the wings to play in St. Louis and New York those teams were awful.

  3. zachary Says:

    yea and his numbers are still in the top 5 all time.

    three cups kenny. three. how many does a guy need to win to get respect?

  4. Kenny Says:

    Ok, looked at the stats. I guess his numbers weren’t “awful” in NYI or St. Louis. But they were pretty mediocre.

    The thing about the hall of fame, at least in my opinion, is that it’s the one part of sports that is predominantly about individual greatness. Obviously championships play a roll in determining the level of that greatness, but they aren’t the only factor.

    Baseball is the great example because the hall has been around for so long and you can compare numbers across generations. There is always an argument about guys like Burt Blyleven who has numbers that compare favorably to other HOFers, but at least from reading about his career (I obviously didn’t see him) he didn’t stand out as one of the “Greatest” players of his generation.

    So I agree Osgood’s numbers look HOF worthy, but at what point would any reasonable hockey fan or team have traded a top 5 goalie in the league for him? I don’t know what the hockey hall of fame voters will place the most importance on, career wins/losses, stanley cups, other numbers, or something else.

  5. indeedindeed Says:

    Zach’s right, his stats are very good, probably Hall of Fame good, though I haven’t actually compared them to HOF goalies. I don’t even know what goalies are in the HOF. But, as I told Zach, when I think of dominant goalies from my lifetime I think: Belfour, Roy, Hasek, Brodeur.

    For me, the big argument against him is: the Wings let him go. He’s in his late 20s, six years deep or whatever with the Wings, and the Wings trade him in and he bounces around for a few years. That doesn’t scream “all-time greatness” to me.

    Also, the Wings have always had some of the best defenders and best defensive-minded forwards (people forget how good Feddy was defensively during that back-to-back cup period.) It’s a lot easier to win games when you’re only seeing half as many shots as the opposing goalie.

    None of this is to say Osgood wasn’t good or valuable, but not HOF level to me. Jersey retired? Maybe.

    ALSO: I want Darren McCarty’s number retired. I love that guy.

  6. Pat Says:

    No way osgood is a HOF, any voter who can remember AL MCInnis slamming home slapshots from center ice has to turn down osgood despite all #’s.

    I’ve always said that over the past decade the weakest position on the red wings is goaltending and i think that still holds true. Just because you win a cup doens’t mean you were actually the most dominant goaltender in the league. The wings consistently outshoot opponents and control the puck for the majority of the game in offensive zone. Osgood is a good goalie but nowhere near a great one. If he was, he’d already have a few more cups.

    The only argument i can see being made for osgood that seems coherent to me is that he played his best in big situations. They talk about that all the time with baseball HOF guys. I know i’ve heard people discuss kurt schilling and the bloody sock and is amazing postseason success and others talk about how his regular season #’s don’t stack up. In Osgood’s case he has good #’s and good success but he’s played on a virtual dream team during all those good times.

    Also, personal awards do matter. Osgood has never been close to winning a Vezina Trophy and it was Vernon who had a Conn Smythe trophy for his great playoff play, another trophy given to plenty other red wings and never ozzie.

  7. zachary Says:

    awful logic pat. just awful. after your first sentence theres no need to continue reading.

    look at the stats. you can even read his name on the cup a few times to get a little extra.

    name the goalies that have won the cup more than once for the redwings as the starter since 1990? Chris Osgood. thats it. hes probably the best redwing since like 1996. that says A LOT.

  8. Pat Says:

    the best red wing since 1996??? whoa there bud, there’s some guy named lidstrom.

    anyways, i’m not saying he won’t be a HOFer. i’m saying that my personal opinion is that i don’t think he deserves to be there.

  9. indeedindeed Says:

    pat’s right, lidstrom is the best red wing since gordie howe. it’s unreal how good he’s been for so long.

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